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#2535 - 12-05-2003 09:41 AM
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Johnnie,
There have been a few cases over the years where people weighed a fish in, but never correctly weighed a fish in for record certification. I would speculate that these people do not know the rules for certifying a record catch.
What I find interesting about this particular catch is that it is up for a record in the IGFA 12 lbs line class. The rules for IGFA are pretty detailed and to think that someone like the woman who caught the super bass would even know about the IGFA puzzles me. There are several companies out there who have and still do publicly state that they would pay anywhere from $1Mil-$8mil for the next world record bass if it were kept alive and could be displayed. I currently hold no records worth bragging about, but I have still managed to obtain cash sponsors based on my fishing achievements and my knowledge of sales and marketing. With that fish, a person with a little vision and some motivation could turn that catch of a lifetime into the “winning lottery ticket” they have always dreamed about.
There has been a big debate about this topic on another site I visit from time to time. They were discussing and even arguing over whether or not it is ethical as a bass fisherman to keep such a fish? Take into consideration, that most of the time the people who land a record fish did not plan on catching the fish, so they were not prepared to keep it alive. Guys like Bob Crupi are out there hunting for the next world record, so they have educated themselves with the record certification process and also have the necessary equipment with them to keep a super bass alive. It’s like the saying “don’t get caught with your pants down around your ankles” you can’t really do much if that happens…
I am interested in seeing how our members feel about this subject?
The question is: “What would you do if you caught a fish that you truly believed could be the next world record largemouth bass? Would you keep it, release it or even try to market it?”
Good post Johnnie…
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#2536 - 12-05-2003 02:43 PM
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Brendan, while It's always a shame to keep a lunker bass, you have to consider a fish of that size must be very old and most likely would soon die anyway. I would make every attempt to keep the prize alive, how much pleasure it would be for anglers to actually see a live world record bass. Yes, I would try to market it and get the best deals i could to make some money and further my bassin' carreer. If a fool could garner $1,000,000, with my knowledge I could bring in a couple hundred bucks I'm sure. Love to hear more comments please! Johnnie 
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#2537 - 12-06-2003 11:56 AM
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Well lets see, 1 million for a fish or let the fish go. hmmmm. I'll take the million myself. I agree with Jonnie I would love to have it on display still alive and swimming for all to see, and I would get all I could get. That may sound unethical to some but, if someone walked up with a check for that much alot of folks would think for about a second and take the money. I have never mounted a fish. I always said if I caught one of 10 I would. But now I have changed my mind about that too. With all the great taxidermist out there that do Fiberglass replica it would be such a waist to kill a fish just to hang on the wall. I would get better pleasure from the fake mount and knowing the fish is still swimming for someone else to make a memory with. But a world record fish would change that. I would keep it alive for sure. Bass Pro Shop would be getting a call from me you can be sure!! My 2 cents Conley
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#2538 - 12-06-2003 03:56 PM
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Thanks conley, I don't know if anyone would knowingly throw back a million dollar fish, or eat it as some rumors speculate. Those are the ones that bother me, the people that claim to have eaten a new record bass or any other fish for that matter. I don't blame George Perry for eating the existing record, things were different back then. Let's hear some more 
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#2539 - 12-07-2003 11:29 AM
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Interesting point, of all of the really big bass to be caught lately, excluding Crupi's 22-3, there have been mysterious circumstances as to why these fish never made it to certified scales. The reason she is going for a line class record is that her son is a big game fisherman and already holds several line class records, thus making me more su****ious as to why this fish never saw a certified scale. In 2001, Paul Duclos caught a giant fish that was said to weigh 24lbs...again this fish never saw a scale. Now this fish is immense. The picture makes the new fish look small. Paul is a big fish hunter like Crupi and his excuse was he forgot his scale that day. I do not buy it. I carry a scale with me all the time and it is likely I'll never run intoa W/R bass here in NY. By the way,Bob Crupi is my God Mother's Nephew.
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#2540 - 12-08-2003 10:06 AM
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Even though Duclos forgot his scale, he still took the time to call his wife and wait for her to show up with their bathroom scale... Don't you think a better request could have been for a large cooler that could be filled with lake water? That would buy some time to get an air pump going... and while all this was happening, I am certain that he could have obtain a whole crew of people who would do what ever they could to help... How about calling the DEP or DEC while his wife was delivering the bathroom scale?
These are simply cases of "missed opportunities".
Here is something else to consider… I remember back when I first started bass fishing. The first time I caught a 4 pound bass, I thought is was 5 or 6 pounds. A 5 pound bass looked 7 pounds to me. The first time I caught a 6 pound bass I would have bet the farm that this fish was pushing 10 pounds… One word explains this phenomenon: IGNORANCE
I was ignorant because I had never seen a 4, 5 or 6 pound fish until I caught one and I couldn’t tell you how big it was until I put it on a certified scale. Perhaps in the back of these people’s minds, they decide after holding the fish for long enough, that it may not be as big as they first suspected. Therefore, a picture will do and they can say it weighed whatever they like. The two most common excuses being:
#1 “I LET IT GO”
#2 “I ATE IT”
The nice part about using these two excuses is all the FREE publicity these people get… It’s the nature of the system… Saying you did something is almost as good as doing it these days… I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of these people figured out a way to make a few bucks from their alleged catch. After all, look at all of us sitting around talking about them, right?
BC
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#2541 - 12-08-2003 03:56 PM
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My thought, The lady that caught that fish played all of her cards right for having "pulled the wool" so to speak. She and her son knew what was at stake if it were a new WR bass and they also knew what it would mean to the records he currently holds if they got caught lying. Bring in an outsider, an admitted non-fisherman who would have no idea if the fish were weighted or not. I think they settled for the line class because they knew they couldn't legally get the all tackle (and might have even stolen the line class as well). OK, maybe i'm a pessimist or whatever you want to call it, but if you don't have the rock solid proof, you don't have the record, period! If you get it legally, I think you deserve what comes with it, if you have to cheat to get it, you should be run out of this country on a rail! 
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#2543 - 12-10-2003 09:15 PM
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Thanks, Johnnie, exactly which lure was it you caught that fish on??? 
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#2545 - 12-12-2003 12:31 PM
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This is a good one, I agree it would go to the closet certified scale I could find and in my neck of the woods. I have had one fish over 11 pounds 3 years ago at Lake Fork in Texas, I thought it was well over 15 pounds, holding the fish I would have bet the world on it's size.. But once at the scales it did not even make the bragging board, it was the small one for the week at 11 pounds 2 ounces... But still the biggest fish of my life.. This also just happened this year at the MO BASS Federation State tournament. A young man was able to bring in to the scales a MEAN MOUTH or a WAR MOUTH, This a cross between a Small mouth and a Spotted Bass it was somewhere around 6 pounds. It tuned out to be the Missouri State record. But the funny thing was this guy did not know what he had he thought he a good size smallie.. After the weight-in of the fish was placed in a release boat and one of my friends who is a tourning Pro with BASS and a Guild on Table Rock looks the fish over and told him to get it to a scale. After a 15 mile drive to a Price Chooper store they used their certified scales, and with the MDC there to ceritfied it, it was real. Not long after that the young man picked up the phone and it was Johnnie Morris ( Owner of Bass Pro in Springfield MO) wanting to buy the fish (For a undisclosed amount)and place it in there live fish tank. Well needless to say it is now swiming alive and well in there big tank for everyone to see... He was awarded with a plastic mount and a BASS PRO credit card for own use.. Just shows you get it to the scales fast and keep it alive at all costs!!!! EAT SLEEP FISH 
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#2546 - 12-12-2003 01:44 PM
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Don,
That's a great story... Thanks for sharing it with us...
BC
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#2549 - 12-15-2003 11:37 AM
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This is the fish that the girl from Cali caught... and it's supposedly bigger than Crupi's Top Record(Which in my eyes is the largest credible catch to date) [img]http://www.flwoutdoors.com/image.cfm?id=8806&thumb=1&maxwidth=130&maxheight=300[/img] or for the full size, CLICK HERE Now have a look at one of Bob Crupi's smaller record fish (Only 18 lbs): I think NOT!
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#2550 - 12-15-2003 05:00 PM
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I and my friends wouldn't have a clue about how to legaly weighin a world class bass. Re minds of that fellow out in CA, supposedly caught a thirty lb'er, wieghed and released her but didn't get the credit, as reported in Bassmaster
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#2551 - 12-16-2003 02:49 AM
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Carl, Should you ever even think you are close to any record, state or world, be sure to: Step One: try to keep the fish alive. Contact one or better yet two State Conservation Officers (DNR) or whatever they are called in your state. A marine biologist from a state fishery might even be better. Take the fish to a legal-certifed scale, grocery store, meat market etc. and be sure the scales have recently been calibrated. Weigh the fish at two different locations. Take several photos holding the fish in various positions but keep the fish in cold water except for actual photos. Measure the length and girth of the fish. Contact your local press. Keep several feet of the line used to catch the fish, may be used to certify line class record later. Do whatever is necessary to keep the fish alive. Call Bass Pro Shop's and tell them what you have. They'll help you do what's best for the fish. If witnesses to the catch are present, get their name, address, phone number-cell phone and any other info you can. Be sure to write down the store's name or wherever you weigh the fish, get a signed voucher from the store manager, write down the scale type, serial number and last date calibrated. This seems like a lot, but we're talking the fish of a lifetime and possibly a million dollars. Can't be too careful. Hope you need this info some day. Johnnie 
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#2553 - 12-16-2003 10:43 AM
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I am always happy with anything I catch over 5lbs... This year 7lbs 11oz was my biggest tournament weighed fish and I was proud to have caught her. Here is another Crupi photo: There are a ton of super-bass photos on this site: CLICK HERE
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#2554 - 12-16-2003 11:51 AM
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Johnnie, I might be wrong but I don't think Japan is even close to producing a big fish.
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#2555 - 12-16-2003 04:26 PM
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Craig, I think you may be wrong after all... take a look at this: JAPAN ANGLER CATCHES 19 POUND BASS! COULD JAPAN BE WHERE THE NEXT NEW WORLD RECORD IS CAUGHT? Mr. Kazuya Shimada sets a new largmouth bass record for Japan! MR. SHIMADA "REELS" IN A NEW RECORD BASS CATCH! Mr. Shimada caught his new record catch on Lake Ikehara in Japan. He used Oputimum Swimbait heavy cover double spin 4" for drop shot. This catch caused quite a stir in Japan and proves worldwide that a New World Record Largemouth Bass can be caught ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYPLACE! 
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