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#10720 - 02-01-2008 14:26
Re: Hummingbird side finder
[Re: Brendan]
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Nunz
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Registered: 09-29-2004
Posts: 147
Loc: Bluepoint
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Brendan,
Congrats on the purchase of your new hummingbird 997c. It is unbelievable the list of features the unit has.
Features:
• Networkable, High Definition Side Imaging Fishing System
• New High Definition 800kHz Side Imaging provides even better image clarity
• Brilliant, 8" sunlight viewable color display with 480V x 800H resolution
• Revolutionary 800kHz Side Imaging sonar technology with 180° of coverageand dual frequency 83/200kHz sonar in one transducer
• 16 channel WAAS/EGNOS GPS receiver included
• Built-in UniMap™ of the USA coastline, inland lakes and rivers to 30 meters per pixel resolution
• Compatible with Navionics Platinum Charts featuring photo overlays, 3D viewing, and port approach ariel photos
• Tidal graphs and port services information available with optional Navionics Gold Charts
• 4000 Watts PTP, 500 Watt RMS Standard; 8000 Watts PTP, 1000 Watt RMS Maximum Power Output*
• Two memory card expansion slots to save Screen Snap Shots and view optional cartography
• Dual microprocessors, graphics co-processor and triple channel sonar transmitter/receiver deliver fast, smooth operation
• Sonar/chart recording to SD card and on-screen playback
• Full screen chartplotter, 3D bird's eye view chartplotter and split screen sonar/chart with adjustable split
• Programmable view presets access important screens with one touch
• Plug & Play compatibility with InterLink Network Connection, CannonLink Downrigger Control, WeatherSense Barometric Pressure, and Wireless Sonar Link Fishing System Modules
• In-dash or Gimbal mount.
• Expandable & upgradeable Fishing System
Wait there are more:
Additional Features
• Fresh and saltwater set up options for optimal performance in any environment
• Accelerated Real Time Sonar™ operates at up to 40 times per second to instantly capture the action under the boat
• X -press™ menus place most important setting at your fingertips
• Freeze Frame pauses the sonar scroll for detailed inspection of the screen
• Instant Image Update immediately shows the results of setting changes for the most accurate fine tuning
• Sonar Echo Enhancement™ technology is so sensitive itll track a jig to over 70ft and separate targets within 2 ½ inches
• Man Overboard Function quickly adjust the boat track back to a specific spot with the touch of a button
• Fully gasketed waterproof design and it floats
• Selectable large digit screen for easy-to-read number display
• Backlight for night viewing
• TripLog with distance, elapsed time, and average speed
• Totally automatic operation or totally manual operation with upper and lower range control
• Temperature graph overlay and audible temperature alarm along with One-touch Zoom with 2x, 4x, 6x, and 8x zoom levels
• Adjustable chart speed and feature memory retains your settings
• Water surface temperature included in transducer, speed paddlewheel included
• PC Connection capability to save waypoints, and upgrade internal software
• Optional 200/50kHz transducer available for deep water applications and depths to 3000 feet
• One-year limited warranty
• Assembled in U.S.A.
I also was browsing around some message boards and found some interesting reviews:
I have fished with team Watters for a while now and they have the unit I have seen what this unit can do first hand and bought one just yesterday was my first time to run the unit on my rig and I caught fish where you could see fish on the SI and where I didn’t see fish I tried also but didn’t catch fish. This unit is like looking at a digital picture of what you are looking at for instance say a tree you can see the branches and if it hasn’t been cut off you can see the root system and see where the fish are stacked on the ends or all over I have seen sunk boats house foundations and all kinds of stuff that in reg sonar looks like brush piles while they wasn’t at all I highly recommend this unit it will make a difference in your fishing and even though it will take a little time to learn it is fairly user friendly I am sure there will be people on here knock it but they shouldn’t till they see it in the boat with someone that has knowledge enough to run it
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I have a 997c si, and I LOVE it !!! Boy oh boy, I can see EVERYTHING with that side imaging and the 997c's wide screen is easy to see from the back of the boat and in full sunlight. The combination of si and 2d sonar or si and gps map on the big screen is really useful.
Mounted it on the console with a heavy-duty RAM mount, so I can change the position a bit if needed.
Don't believe all the posts you may have see on other boards about the side-imaging only working under 5 MPH. I can post pictures if you like with it working at 53 on the GPS (~58 on the speedo). Obviously detail is lost and the image gets a bit noisy, but the image is still useable up to my top end (~60 on the speedo).
Best of all, (from my viewpoint) the very first day I took it out, my wife was with me, and we caught more fish than the last four trips combined, so she forgave me for buying it. lol
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Sounds like you have one heck of a piece of electronics. Lets get out the ice melter and test that baby out!!!
Nunz
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#10723 - 02-02-2008 22:28
Re: Hummingbird side finder
[Re: Brendan]
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mofish
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Registered: 11-29-2001
Posts: 510
Loc: Granbury, TX
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I don’t know how many of you visit the Bass Fishing Home Page http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/
Go to the Fishing Tactics page, there is a guy there that goes by the screen name of “LTBama.”
He has been posting screen shots of his side imaging and regular 2D shots from his Lowrance unit from the trolling motor. He has shown me more about electronics in the last few months that anyone else. The search function on that page is terrible and half the time it does not work. But you can scroll through the pages and find his post. They are awesome. He also wrote an article on Jigging Spoon fishing that has a lot of info on using electronics it is located here http://heartlandtackleservice.com/spooning.stm
One other site which I think has already been mentioned on Side Imaging is the Yahoo Groups. You have to join the group to see everything but it has some great photos on it too. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sideimaging/
On more that has been started that is some help is http://www.xumba.scholleco.com/index.php
Like I said I hope in March I will have mine all mounted and in place then I can give some Personal info on it!!! I hope!?
Don, I know fishing Table Rock is a deep, clear lake. I was just wanting to see some shots of what you look for on both the side imaging and regular sonar and how you go about fishing some of those deep waters. I also like Crappie fishing and would like to see some of that also. I have figured out a lot just from trial and error and with the help of the Jigging Spoon article above, but it never hurt to have more info!
Thanks
Edited by mofish (02-02-2008 22:31)
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#10725 - 02-03-2008 16:15
Re: Hummingbird side finder
[Re: mofish]
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TableRockGuide
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Registered: 09-07-2007
Posts: 60
Loc: Branson Missouri
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Guy's I'm working on a basis configuration document for you guys that will discuss setup of the 997 unit. There are only three items that you really need to worry about, and this should cover all of them.. I should have it done this weekend and post it next week.. Mofish, I have some really cools pictures that I will repost for you to view.. 2D and Si pictures..
Good Fishing Everyone
Capt. Don
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#10726 - 02-03-2008 19:20
Re: Hummingbird side finder
[Re: TableRockGuide]
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mofish
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Registered: 11-29-2001
Posts: 510
Loc: Granbury, TX
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Don would that set up be the same for the 797 also. Thats the only one that I can afford at the time, so that is the one I'm going with.
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#10733 - 02-04-2008 10:59
Re: Hummingbird side finder
[Re: mofish]
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TableRockGuide
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Registered: 09-07-2007
Posts: 60
Loc: Branson Missouri
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Mofish, yes they are the same just smaller screens, I'm trying to get this document posted but having issues with the pictures that don't want to move over??? I will keep trying to get it posted today..
Good Fishing Everyone
Capt. Don
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#10739 - 02-04-2008 15:52
Re: Humminbird Side Finder
[Re: TableRockGuide]
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TableRockGuide
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Registered: 09-07-2007
Posts: 60
Loc: Branson Missouri
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Humminbird 997SI and 797SI Basic Settings for performance
First the Side Imaging does not even compare to the 2D versions of the Lowrance units or even any other units. On the 997SI and the 797 SI units, there are few things you need to look at. With SI units we are looking to the side and these settings are totally different, but here is what we are going to look at on these units.
Sensitivity
Side Imaging Views and Distances
Color of the display
Side Imaging units are very simple once you get used to it, but everyone has a lot of trouble understanding what they are seeing and that makes it very disappointing for some. After you teach yourself what you are seeing the rest just falls into place with a little trial and error.
Still the best way I have found to read these guys is by experience and practice, or even better you can post your pictures on BASSIN USA or even the SI Sites like the SI group on Yahoo.com and have other guys look them over just to verify what you are seeing. More you can find like trees, brush piles, or dock cables the better you will get with these units. Start small by looking for structure you already know is there, Play with it and then play with it some more!!!
Here are the best settings changes or adjustments that I learned that have really helped me out with these units.
Sensitivity's Settings
Sensitivity settings are from 1 – 20 on your unit. The best way to explain how this works is this, for harder bottoms or harder objects sensitivity need to be lower, for rock bottoms I will start at 10 and move down, the factory setting is 10, which is best place to start.
Find an item like a tree or a brush pile, pause your SI screen then go to your sensitivity button move the Sensitivity up and down till you find the best looking picture with the most detail then move on and find more structure to see how it will really stand out since you made your changes. The majority of the items I have found are made of a hard material, like wood, metal, rock and so on, so this setting will give you the most pay back.
For softer bottoms like sand or mud the sensitivity needs to go the other way or higher like above 10, then you can find items like sand bars, or even brim beds in the sand or soft bottom. Here are some great pictures which a good friend of mine has put together just for this, this is a picture of a road bed on the left side of the screen, with the highest sensitivity you can not see the old road bed which is a hard compound, but lower you set sensitivity the better the picture gets.. (By the way Doug Vahrenberg is the designer of the Yahoo Side Imaging Groups web site and is also the Author of these great pictures for us.)
This is with the Sensitivity up to the max at 20 nothing on the left or right can be seen and everything with a hard return is all white. Basically the hard returns are over powering everything.
Now here is the same picture with the sensitivity set at 10 notice the old road bed on the
left bottom that is more than likely silted over so only a small part is shown and also notice that all of the white is gone with a lot more detail of the trees on both sides even with the shadows of the trees. Harder the bottom lower the sensitivity = better picture.
Now just go the other way with softer bottoms like sand or mud higher sensitivity = better picture, the more you will see.
Now go play with the sensitivity on your unit experiment with it and hopefully this will help you understand how the sensitivity works with the SI unit this will make objects better to see and pick out once again go out and play with it.
SideImaging Views and distance left and right
On your SI unit you can choose a left side view only, a right side view only or both sides at once. The best way to get started is to view both sides at once until you get used to what you are seeing. Then after you have figured out what you are seeing you can choose left or right to really get good details.
Left Side only
Right Side Only
Both Side at the same time (Best to start with) Notice the large group of shad in the black areas of the picture where the cursor is placed, that black area is just about right under the boat but a little off to the left side, also notice those little white dots in the black area off from the shad, those are your fish.
Here is my favorite configuration this picture shows the Right and Left Side view and with the 2D view also, this is a large group of trees and mixed in with them are some shad and fish as seen on the SI picture. I have marked the shad and the fish but if you look good you can see the tops of the trees and the fish right in them. The shad are the larger blobs and the fish are the smaller white dots close by. Notice on the 2D version picking out the fish is almost impossible, but look good on the SI version the fish really standout. I would go back and fish the tops of these trees really good.
SideImaging Distance on (Left, Right or Both) sides of the Boat
On your side imaging unit you can choose how far your unit can see and display information on the left, right or both sides of the boat. By changing the distance your unit can display you will change the amount of information displayed, if you look at the above picture in the upper right and left hand corners of the SI display you will see left 100 and right 100, this tells us how far the unit is looking to the sides. Also notice that there is a lot more black area and a lot less bottom on each side, I’m driving right over the tops of these trees.
The closer the distance to the side of your boat in which your unit is looking the smaller and harder it will be to pick out items, the farther away they are the easier they are to see and pick out alot more details. If you set this too close you will miss a lot of items. Default is 100 feet. I try to keep mine around 100 – 125 feet. The best picture to understand this is the above left side only picture, notice this one is set at 78 feet. You see a lot of the point on the left side of the screen, but in the darker or deep water you see the boat outline on the lower right side of the picture. Notice how close the boat is to being right under the boat, the more you extend out the side view in feet the more definition you will get and the more you will see under the boat also. I would have gone by this again but set my left side over 115 – 125 and we would have gotten a more detailed look at the boat on the bottom.
With these pictures I have my graph set to only 26 feet notice how hard it is to see the fish hanging on the bridge pillar. Everything looks fuzzy and you really have to look to see the shad and bass.
Now with this picture we are looking at a deep water dock on a point. Notice that I have my unit set to 99 feet on the left, not only can we see the dock but everything under it and all the way to the bank. By the way those bended looking lines are your dock cables and all of these white dots around them, there are your fish.
Side Imaging Screen Colors
The SI Units has the ability to change the colors of the screen from Brown to Blue, Green and a few other colors, the best I can tell you is Blue, but everyone has there own colors that they can work with, that is something you must just try all colors and see what works for you best.
Work with these setting to get the most out of your unit and just keep working with it, the more you find the more you will understand, then start fishing it and watch your catch ratio go up!
Next I will get some more pictures and post them then I will try to explain what we are seeing on the Unit, like shad schools, schools of fish, large trees, ditches, road beds, bridges, docks and much more. Like I say hope it helps and you can understand my writing. Any questions just drop me a post or an email and we can discuss.
Good Fishing Everyone.
Capt. Don
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#10744 - 02-04-2008 21:31
Re: Humminbird Side Finder
[Re: Brendan]
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mofish
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Registered: 11-29-2001
Posts: 510
Loc: Granbury, TX
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Excellent stuff!!!! This is just the type of reading that I need. Keep up the great work!!!!!!
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#10938 - 03-06-2008 11:05
Re: Humminbird Side Finder
[Re: mofish]
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TableRockGuide
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Registered: 09-07-2007
Posts: 60
Loc: Branson Missouri
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Guy's here are some new pictures I took yesterday on the rock, see if you can tell me what they are..
I will check back here in a few days to see what you guys think they are.. The First one will be hard, but look close at the upper left hang corner... Rest should be easy..
Good Fishing Everyone
Capt. Don
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